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Hinckley Pilot 35

This sparkman & stephens classic, built for a dozen years in fiberglass (and built to take it), has kept its value and a fervent following..

Henry R. Hinckley & Co. of Southwest Harbor, Maine, has had some notable successes over the years, and this solid glass 35-footer ranks right up there with the best of them. She was built in several variations between 1963 and 1975 and was preceded by eight boats built in wood. Class records indicate that a total of 125 fiberglass Pilots (including eight built in Chile using tooling made for the Chilean Navy with Hinckley’s assistance) were built in total.

Most remarkable for her beauty, this balanced, traditional-looking boat with a deeply curved sheer and plenty of overhang fore and aft has had a full life. Cruising widely, racing seriously, weekending and daysailing in most of the planet’s best sailing grounds, she embodies that “wholesome, dual purpose ideal” that many sailors put at the heart of the sport.

By modern standards she’s a bit cramped, a tad slow, and a touch clumsy. Hinckley has long been known to build boats well, but “at what price?” Some owners have sailed their boats for 30 years or more, and when a Pilot comes on the used boat market today it’s not likely to stay there long.. Often the boats fetch prices in excess of $70,000.

Designed by Sparkman & Stephens when the firm was at its most dominant, the Pilot was the state of the boatbuilding art at the beginnings of the fiberglass era. It’s tempting to think of her as dated and a litmus of how far we’ve come, but many sailors still see her as the sum and substance of what a boat should be. Whether you think of her as a relic or exemplar, however, hers is an intriguing tale.

History Says Bob Hinckley, one of the founder’s sons and still a company officer (though his family sold the company several years ago): “The success of the Bermuda 40 removed any lingering doubts about the suitability of glass reinforced plastic as a boatbuilding material. By 1962 it was clear that fiberglass was to be the future of the Hinckley company. We had already built a Sou’wester Junior in glass, and since the boat was 30 feet LOA, it seemed only logical to build one in the 35-foot range to fill out the line.

“The two boats which were under consideration were the Hinckley 36 and the Pilot 35. Both had been popular cruising boats in wood during the 1950s, and each had its own strengths. Of the two the Pilot was probably a little bit prettier and faster, but her freeboard was very low. Gilbert Cigal, who had played such an active role in the development of the Bermuda 40, favored the Pilot and his opinion was valued by my father.The decision was made to have Sparkman & Stephens modify the lines of the hull to give her more freeboard and otherwise facilitate her construction in glass. They are wonderful boats. I owned one for 10 years myself. When I see one, even after all of these years, I’m still moved by how pretty she is.”

Rod Stephens wrote a design history of the boat in 1983 on the occasion of the 20th anniversary of her launch: “S&S Design No. 539 was one of our first yacht designs prepared after World War II. The dimensions were 32’11″ LOA, 24′ DWL, 9’6″ Beam, 4′ 9″ draft. Sail area was 523 sq. ft. The design displacement was 11,970 lbs. The first boats were constructed (in wood) by Fisher Boatworks in Detroit and later by Thomas Knutson Shipbuilding in Huntington, NY.

“In 1955 at the request of Henry R. Hinckley, a ‘new Pilot’ was the subject of our Design No. 1219. The new boats were slightly longer on deck and at the waterline and drew an additional 2 inches. Beam remained 9’6″ and six square feet of sail area were added. “Hinckley built eight of these ‘Hinckley Pilots’ in wood. One was a yawl, the rest were sloops. They displaced 12,900 lbs.

“In 1962, again at the request of Hinckley, who had been building in fiberglass, the Pilot design was revised and became our Design No. 1727. The design was extended to LOA 35′ 9″, DWL 25′, Beam 9’6″, Draft 5’0”, Sail area 554 sq. ft. and Displacement 13,500 lbs.

“It was this design that became known as the Hinckley Pilot 35 built exclusively by Henry R. Hinckley & Co. Of the 117 fiberglass Pilots built in Maine, 25 were yawls.”

Design While Bob Hinckley remembers the final redesign as “essentially adding another strake to the hull to give her some more freeboard to make her drier and roomier,” there was more to it than that. Says Bruce Johnson, currently Chief Designer at S&S: “The boat was worked up when Aage Nielsen was with the firm, and between Aage, Olin, and Rod a beautiful boat was drawn which has maintained its superstar status to this day.”

The Pilot is very good looking. If there’s a comment that echoes repeatedly from her owners it’s “everyone says she’s the prettiest boat in the harbor.” Her design team combined a boldly curved sheerline, drawn-out ends, a jaunty aft-raked transom, and a straight but not severe houseline into a traditionally eye-pleasing package. She comes from a bygone era and her looks suggest the good old days “when boats were boats.” She has some other timeless virtues, too and many owners and sailors in general appreciate her for her simplicity, integrity, anddurability.

However, sailboat design has progressed in the more than 50 years since the Pilot was born. She is short on the waterline. This limits both her top-end speed and her payload. She has a full keel with its attendant overabundance of wetted surface and lift/drag inefficiencies. She has a short rig which makes her less than jazzy to sail in light air. Her keel-hung rudder makes her turning circle inconveniently wide. Sail controls are elementary.

Performance Conventional wisdom has it that fewer than one in ten sailboats today ever sees the race course. Such was not the case with the Hinckley Pilot. Block Island, Mackinaw, Monhegan, Annapolis-Newport, the Great Ocean Race Race— Pilots have been in them all and done well. They have also scored well or won championships in handicap series in San Francisco, Buzzards, and Biscayne Bays. Overall, the ratio of Pilot owners who report having raced their boats is much closer to one in three than one in ten.

One of the pillars of Sparkman & Stephens’ racing success has always been an emphasis on upwind performance. The Pilot 35 is no exception. Despite overlong spreaders and over-wide sheeting angles that were standard design elements in her era, she goes well to windward.

To some, a Pilot 35 may seem tender, especially compared to modern boats with more beam, form stability, and deeper ballast. “They heel fairly fast initially,” says one sailor, “but if you keep the angle of heel under 20 degrees she’ll stay very lively and make very little leeway. She’s a real lady to sail when it starts to blow.”

“I’ve always favored the sail combinations that the yawl rig makes available,” says another owner. “Also, as a CCA measurer I was not unaware of the rating advantage of the yawl rig. I could often sail with the sloops but enjoy a foot better allowance.”

Sloop and yawl, however, the boats have compiled an enviable record. As boats and owners have grown older, however, and racing has evolved, fewer and fewer Pilots now make it to the starting line.

Though her relatively low freeboard can invite the occasional wave aboard, her ends are full and she is acceptably dry in most conditions. Her short waterline combines with long overhangs to make her hobby horse, however. Thanks to her long keel, though, her motion is gradual— nothing like the snap-roll that some fin-keelers can be guilty of. “She’s a substantial boat that’s comfortable in a seaway,” an owner concludes.

“What I’ve come to appreciate most about my boat in the more than 30 years that I’ve had her is her size,” an owner from Maine reports. “She’s big enough to be comfortable but small enough so that the loads never get to be overpowering. One man can do just about everything. When I’m trying to shoehorn into the head I want a bigger boat, but when it comes to sailing, I like the Pilot the way she is.”

Almost to a man Pilot owners will tell you how badly she steers in reverse under power. “She certainly doesn’t go straight. It’s a case of learning your boat and adjusting.” The boats were originally equipped with Sea Scout or Atomic Four gas engines. Well over half of today’s owners have replaced those gas engines with diesels, the Westerbeke 4-99 supplied by Hinckley being the most common.

Says one owner with a Westerbeke fitted with a three-bladed prop, “The engine is big enough so that we get up to cruising speed of 6 knots or better at less than 2000 rpm. It’s nice to have reserve power and to get where you’re going without any more noise or fuss than necessary.”

Engine access on the Pilot has always been an annoyance.

Construction Most owners think their Pilots are very well-built. In fact, not a single one (from our modest sample of over 20) gave their boats anything less than highest marks in the “construction’ category. Writes Don Danilek, compiler of the Pilot 35 Yearbook, “The Pilot’s construction, like her design, is legendary. From the faired stemplate with its integral chocks and tack fitting to the integral flagstaff as part of the stainless stern pulpit, the Pilot is the epitome of quality construction.” In reality, no one really knew what “the epitome of fiberglass construction” was in the pioneering days that produced the first Pilots. Therefore, they were overbuilt. The hull laminate in the way of her keel was up to an inch thick. Nowhere is her solid glass hull less than 3/8″ thick. Her two hull halves (she was built in a clam-shell mold due to worries that her slight amount of tumblehome might make her difficult to release from a standard one-piece mold) are taped over with layers of matt and roving that make stem and stern virtually bulletproof. Bob Hinckley recalls a Pilot being dropped from a TraveLift six feet onto her stem. “Creased the gelcoat for about a quarter of an inch around the impact spot,” he remembers.

Her 4200 pound lead keel was attached with 3/4” Everdur bolts. The hull and deck on the Pilots were joined using the system Hinckley employed on all of its boats: The deck was bedded on wet mat laid on a 6-inch wide inward flange on the hull. Screwed in place while the chemical bond set up, it was then capped with a toerail bolted through both flange and deck. “The method pretty well removes the problem of deck leaks,” Hinckley says. “All you might get is problems in the way of the chainplates or the stanchions, but we bed them very well, too.”

Interior wood was equally robust, right down to the inch-thick treads of the teak and holly cabin sole. Extra fiberglass reinforcement went into the chainplates and in longitudinal stringers designed to stiffen the hull fore and aft. “When we first worked on our boat,” says Danilek, “my wife Jane remarked, ‘On this boat, when I lean on something, it leans back.’”

At a displacement of 13,500 pounds, the Pilot pays some performance penalty for being so strongly built. Many of today’s 35-footers not only afford more waterline and room but weigh in at from 3000 to 6000 pounds less. The lighter the boat, the less “dead weight” there is to subtract from performance. Also, in reckoning the cost of a boat you’ve got to figure on the cost of the materials that went into her. Heavier boats cost more for that reason.

Still, it’s hard to argue with Hinckley’s success. One owner discovered mild blistering after 15 years. Another felt that the mast column did not provide enough support for her deck -stepped mast. Aside from those criticisms we gathered a raft of comments like: “Absolutely NO failure of rig or gear in 15 years!” “The gelcoat still looks good after 23 years.” “We’ve never had any problem getting insurance because she’s so well built.” “A boat for a lifetime. Hull/deck joint, standing rigging… all top drawer.” It’s certainly possible to use materials more efficiently and produce sprightlier boats, but Hinckley’s conservative brand of over-building has produced boats that have consistently proven durable as well as capable through the years.

Accommodations Pilots have been built with 4, 5, and 6-berth layouts. All of the arrangements have been geared to the boat’s narrow beam and long ends. This makes for very workable accommodations in a seaway: grab rails are always close at hand and there’s never very far to fall. Elbow room for relaxing, dining, or gathering is at a premium, though. The five-berth plan, chosen in about one quarter of the boats built, makes, we think, the best use of the main cabin space and comes closest to the sort of “main saloon” that contemporary designs offer in a boat of this size.

The “ice box” feel of fiberglass was a worry when the switch came from wood. Hinckley’s answer was to “build a wooden boat inside the glass one.” Except for the smoothed and comfortingly painted overhead, everything below was made of or sheathed with wood. Phillipine mahogany (later replaced by Honduras) sheathed hull sides, bulkheads, and the underside of the decks so “not an inch of fiberglass shows.”

“During the mid-60’s we were building a Pilot a week,” Bob Hinckley remembers. “A big key to keeping that pace was the amount of pre-fabbing of interior elements that we did outside the boats.” The Pilot was one of the first cases in the glassboat era of keeping the quality in a boat while taking hours out of building her. It was the woodshop where most of those efficiencies were achieved.

Conclusions ”Superbly…” “Splendidly…” “The company has been very responsive…”

Few and far between are the Pilot owners who don’t have very good things to say about Hinckley. The excellent reputation that the folks in Southwest Harbor enjoy today began, we feel, at least in part with the Pilot. With the shift from a workmanlike wooden pleasure boat to an elegant, high quality mini-yacht, the company staked out the trail it was to follow up to the present…traditional appeal, rugged construction, focus on quality…enjoyable boats.

Hinckley also grew from being just a builder to being an outfitter, authority, and maintenance helpmeet. Take the number of Pilots (almost half) that have been returned to Southwest Harbor for Awl-Gripping, a new interior, a carbon fiber spar, and other refit items. The “family center” keeps drawing boats back and sending them forth refurbished and gleaming. And keeping the boats new is keeping Hinckley green.

Finally, take the case of the “factory installed extra.” Hinckley has definitely done the homework necessary to keep its boats outfitted with gear and equipment that suits their character as well as makes things easier for their owners. Take the modestly-priced cabin heater. How many owners would have known and cared enough to put a fireplace below on their 35-footer, but the little stoves (“They really don’t work all that well. I’d prefer an Espar heater under the cockpit seat,” Bob Hinckley says) are just one of the many added elements that gave this classy little auxiliary her sparkle when she first arrived. Almost 40 years later, while there may be better ways to stay warm below, the Pilot 35 still keeps a lot of her glow.

Contact – The Hinckley Company, 130 Shore Rd., Southwest Harbor, ME 04679, 207/244-5531, www.hinckleyyachts.com .

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If you are lucky enough to own one of the  Legendary Hinckley Sailboats, you are the envy of Sailboaters world wide. After all, there is nothing like a Hinckley.  Built from 1962 to1975 - This is the sixth to the last Fiberglass Hinckley Pilot built. "Halcyon" has been thoughtfully refit over the last few years by a knowledgeable yachtsman. Hinckley's superior craftsmanship is obvious. This sloop-rigged sailboat features a Herreshoff-style finished six berth interior layout.  The hull is a freshly painted "off white" and the brightwork is in good condition. The Interior is neat and clean and completely finished in Philippine Mahogany with Teak and Holly soles and has an abundance of storage.  She is powered by a 1991 Yanmar 35 HP diesel.

This is your chance to own the Old World Craftsmanship of a Legendary Hinckley that has been thoughtfully updated. 

Owner has invested over $80,000. in this beautiful Pilot. He is now finished with this boat and is ready to sell. Come take a look and make us an offer.

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As you enter the cabin from the cockpit, the steps lead to the port and starboard wrap around galley. The steps move aside to afford access to the Engine. Following port and starboard are settees that convert to berths by sliding out. There are two more berths port and starboard above outboard. A large full length table folds down from the bulkhead and opens full width for dining. The interior is done in varnished Phillipine Mahogany with a Teak and Holly sole. Forward of the salon is the head to port with sink and shower, followed by the large V-Berth with filler.  

• Large Built-In Chest Style Icebox
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• Power HP 33.00 HP
• Hours 4000.00

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1964 Hinckley 35 SloopThis Beautiful 35 sloop has been stored on land for the past 6 years and has been kept under a custom canvas cover. Her incredibly knowledgeable owner is a Hinckley enthusiast and maintained her very well. Included in the sale is a 7 foot Dyer Sailing Dinghy that is mounted on the forward deck. Boat is need of some TLC to get her back to Hinckley condition.Features/Upgrades:Brand New Mainsail and Jib Custom Canvas Winter CoverInterior and Cockpit Cushions ReplacedBottom was recently brought down and repaintedKeel Bolts ReplacedHull has been repainted a custom blue Brewer Yacht Sales is pleased to assist you in the purchase of this vessel. This boat is centrally listed by Southpaw Yacht Sales. It is offered as a convenience by this broker/dealer to its clients and is not intended to convey direct representation of a particular vessel

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Hinckley Pilot 35

Hinckley Pilot 35 is a 35 ′ 9 ″ / 10.9 m monohull sailboat designed by Sparkman & Stephens and built by Hinckley Yachts between 1962 and 1975.

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The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

S&S design #1727. This, the third generation PILOT, was designed specifically for Hinckley to be built of fiberglass. A previous Pilot (S&S design #1219) was first built of wood in 1956. Available as sloop or yawl (12). About a dozen boats to this design were also built, under license, in South America for the Chilean Navy. The ‘custom’ version is shown in the drawing with a raised ‘dog house’. Of these, only 5 were delivered, all of them, sloops. Thanks to PILOT 35 owner Eric Machinist for providing updated information. Tall Rig: I: 42.50’ / 12.95m J: 13.90’ / 4.24m P: 37.20’ / 11.34m E: 15.20’ / 4.63m Yawl Rig: (13 delivered) I: 38.80’ / 11.83m J: 12.25’ / 3.73m P: 33.83’ / 10.31m E: 15.50’ / 4.72m PY: 18.10’ /5.52m EY: 7.60’ /2.31m

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Any thoughts on mid 1960's Hinckley pilot 35 and what pricing should be?  

I guess that I would have to ask, how do you plan to use the boat and where you sail. Hinckley Pilots have always had a warm spot in my heart. These were the first boats that I ever crewed on in a race. They were well constructed and beautifully detailed. There is a different aesthetic to sailing these old boats that can be very appealing. Boats like the Pilot make good daysailors and weekenders in a sailing venue that has predominantly moderate winds and rarely experiences short chop. By any objective standard, these are very expensive boats for what they offer. For the money there are a lot of newer boats are easier to handle, offer more comfortable accommodations, and better performance. Comparatively speaking, these boats are miserably wet and tender in heavy going and require a lot of skill to sail in gustier conditions. I have seen examples of these boats all across the price range. A few years back I looked at an unrestored 1960's model with its original Grey Marine gas engine with an asking price in the mid-$30K range. I have seen a restored version with a carbon fiber mast with asking prices in the $150K range. I actually exchanged e-mail with a fellow who had a restored Pilot with a carbon fiber mast, an altered sailplan, and modern sails. He indicated that the carbon fiber mast and new sail plan really transformed the sailing characteristics of the boat. In his case the carbon fiber mast was taller than the original aluminum spar allowing him to carry smaller overlapping headsails, which made the boat easier to sail. He reported that the dramatic weight savings aloft allowed him to carry sail longer, and reduced the feeling of the boat being overly tender. He also replaced all of the deck hardware with more modern gear which he reported as really making a huge difference in ease of handling as well. Jeff  

Jeff your quick response and insight is very helpful. This would be our first serious sailboat. My wife has sailed a sunfish for years, her parents had a Pearson 30. Last year we purchased a compac sun-cat, that was too small, difficult rigging, hard to handle, water is in the cockpit continuously, weather helm etc. We are looking for an upgrade to a daysailor primarily for weekends. We are not looking to race or go on extended cruises. We have a lovely 2nd home on Mt. Hope Bay and see us inviting friends for trips to Newport and Block Island. We are looking for a boat that is aestically pleasing, relaltively easy to handle, with a large cockpit. Obviously we are looking for good value and have an appreciation of classic design. We appreciate any suggestions you can offer. Thank you Kevin  

I think that the Pilot is a reasonable choice for what you are doing. If you are looking for less expensive boats of a similar character and quality, I would suggest that you look around for either a LeCompte or Seafarer Swiftshore from the mid-1960's. I am drawing a blank on the actual model name for the 35 foot Lecompte built during this period. Both LeCompte and Seafarer were building their boats in Holland during this period and the workmanship on these boats were really beautiful. The LeCompte was a Tripp design and the Swiftshore a Rhodes design. Because they lack the cache of a Hinckley, they tend to be far less expensive, but on the other hand are less likely to be restored to as high a level as a Hinckley Pilot. Just as a point of contrast, you might look at more modern design such as a five year old C&C 110 or Dehler 36, which should sell in roughly the same price range as a restored Hinckley Pilot. While not 'classic' designs, these boats offer much better sailing ability and comfort. Jeff  

In their day, the late 60's and early 70's, the Pilot was THE 35 footer to own. They sailed faster and higher than many other 35s in the yacht club fleets at that time. They were more expensive than other 35s and were the envy of many sailors. I guess Jeff is right that they were a handful, tender and wet, but my memories from that time is all the 35s were that way to some degree. Today the Pilot is, IMO, the fiberglass version of the old wooden Concordia. They are a classic yacht with lots of wood, beautiful lines and very little room below. I see them in the winter in heated sheds beside the big girls. They have now seen major (read this as unlimited funds spent) upgrades and top shelf care. To purchase and maintain this type of yacht requires commitment and appreciation for her bloodline. You will pay from 90K to 150K. That's a lot of cheddar for a 40 year old boat. You will pay cash, no financing on glass this old, and perhaps have issue with insurance - some self-insure or don't worry about it (nice). If you have found one that has not been restored, you will need money and time because she will need a lot of both. If you do not find yourself being described, I suggest you look at something newer. Bristols are sometimes referred to as the Poor Man's Hinckley. I have owned 2, including my current 35.5. There are plenty of other good old boats from the 70's and 80's that will meet your sailing needs for much less up front and maintenance money. The fun is in the hunt ! Let us know how it goes. Larry  

Thanks, again Jeff I'll check into your other recommendations, Kevin  

Captlar thanks for your response. Interestingly enough just today I was looking at Bristol 35.5's. Are all of these centerboards? What has your experience with them been like? They seem like abit more of a cruiser. Thanks, Kevin  

Some are fixed fin keel and some centerboard. the CB's are a bit tender. We ordered new sails and scaled the jib down to a 120. The boat is easily driven, so even a 110 would do. The fixed keel is less tender. Both sail high and fast. Bristol continued to build the "old" style and started this "new design' at the same time. You can figure out which design won out. They are, IMO and having sailed both, a better design. We were specifically looking for a centerboard to allow us to get into the skinny water. Prior to this we had the 31.1 with fixed fin keel. That is a sweet boat as well, and adequate room for a couple. You can find one in very good shape for aroung 60K. We moved up to the 35.5 to gain waterline and additional storage. After that you go to the 38.8, but I would look at the Wasquiez if you are wiling to go to or beyond the 100K mark. Larry  

Can I suggest an alternative??? First let me say that I think the SS pilot 35 is near the top of my dream boat lists, topped only by a B40 or similar. I bought a boat that is very close interms of the numbers and performance. But you'd be hard pressed to spend $40000 for one (and it better be near perfect at that price!) It doesn't have the incredible wood finish...mostly formica and glass....but it is very comparable if you are looking for a boat of the hinckley pilot 35 capability and style. It is built like a tank. And for the $100000+ that you won't be spending ....you could have a great interior. How about an alberg 35? If you look at http://www.image-ination.com/sailcalc.html and run the numbers you will see they are close. By the way sail calc can be configured to list boats that meet your requirements....allied princess/ luders 33's/ etc etc Performance Comparison LOA Alberg 35 Sloop 34.75 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 35.4 LWL Alberg 35 Sloop 24 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 25 Beam Alberg 35 Sloop 9.67 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 9.53 Displacement Alberg 35 Sloop 13300 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 13510 Sail Area Alberg 35 Sloop 522 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 554 Capsize Ratio Alberg 35 Sloop 1.63 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 1.6 Hull Speed Alberg 35 Sloop 6.56 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 6.7 Sail Area to Displacement Alberg 35 Sloop 14.88 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 15.63 Displacement to LWL Alberg 35 Sloop 430 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 386 LWL to Beam Alberg 35 Sloop 2.48 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 2.62 Motion Comfort Alberg 35 Sloop 36.48 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 36.58 Pounds/Inch Alberg 35 Sloop 829 Hinckley Pilot 35 Sloop 851 I have to think maybe Carl was doing a little cloning for the everyman??? Nice article in one of RIchard Hendersons book on classic yacht designs on the pilot 35 too! Ric  

The Pilot is a beautiful boat; just be prepared for ALOT of time and/or money to maintain her. Luckily there are many marinas will skilled labor in your area. I would suggest Jamestown Boat-Yard as they are skilled at maintaining fine yachts. (They are one of the few authoritized Swan service facilities) / My suggestion is simple: sail her. You will know within an hour or so if you like the way she handles. Good luck.  

Needless to say the weather here in NE has been horrid. Torrential rains and blowing like stink, so my opportunities to see and survey/sail the 2 hinckleys' have been curtailed. In the mean time I've located a couple of Little Harbor 38's that are more reasonable in price and would love to hear about peoples experience and opinions about them. Thanks, Kevin  

Actually, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and today have been wonderful days to be out sailing.  

On the number comparison...PHRFs Hinckley Pilot - 195 Alberg 35 - 210 Bristol 35.5 CB - 156 (35.5 keel is a little lower) Bristol 31.1 - 174 Little Harbor 38 - 126......oh yeah, she sails Larry  

ALberg 35 210 phrf? Where? "YES While the Alberg 35 had moderate success as a racer, the boat was--and still is--a cruising boat. By current standards, the Alberg 35 is a slow boat for her length overall, with a typical PHRF rating of 198." http://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/1_1/boatreview/1124-1.html The hinckley and the alberg are near identical in almost every dimension except price. The Alberg does give up immeasurable style points without all that great interior....but I'll live with it for the tens of thousands less in initial purchase and upkeep.  

Jeff_H said: I guess that I would have to ask, how do you plan to use the boat and where you sail. Hinckley Pilots have always had a warm spot in my heart. These were the first boats that I ever crewed on in a race. They were well constructed and beautifully detailed. There is a different aesthetic to sailing these old boats that can be very appealing. Boats like the Pilot make good daysailors and weekenders in a sailing venue that has predominantly moderate winds and rarely experiences short chop. By any objective standard, these are very expensive boats for what they offer. For the money there are a lot of newer boats are easier to handle, offer more comfortable accommodations, and better performance. Comparatively speaking, these boats are miserably wet and tender in heavy going and require a lot of skill to sail in gustier conditions. I have seen examples of these boats all across the price range. A few years back I looked at an unrestored 1960's model with its original Grey Marine gas engine with an asking price in the mid-$30K range. I have seen a restored version with a carbon fiber mast with asking prices in the $150K range. I actually exchanged e-mail with a fellow who had a restored Pilot with a carbon fiber mast, an altered sailplan, and modern sails. He indicated that the carbon fiber mast and new sail plan really transformed the sailing characteristics of the boat. In his case the carbon fiber mast was taller than the original aluminum spar allowing him to carry smaller overlapping headsails, which made the boat easier to sail. He reported that the dramatic weight savings aloft allowed him to carry sail longer, and reduced the feeling of the boat being overly tender. He also replaced all of the deck hardware with more modern gear which he reported as really making a huge difference in ease of handling as well. Jeff Click to expand...

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