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The Best Mini Yacht Brands for Cruising and Luxury

6th sep 2024 by lenny rudow.

There are many different types of yachts , and there’s no commonly agreed definition of what makes one a mini yacht, but you’ll know one the moment you step aboard. Luxury and comfort are prerequisites, and to be any sort of yacht a boat needs to have all the comforts of home. Most mariners would consider 40 feet of LOA (length overall) to be the minimum for a “regular” yacht, yet there are plenty of luxurious vessels in the 30- to low-40-foot range that, setting aside size, check all the boxes to qualify for yacht status. These, we can safely dub mini yachts. But, which are the best mini yacht brands? How much do mini yachts cost? Is there one out there that might prove ideal for you and your family?

Best Mini Yachts Under $250,000

Best mini yachts $250,000 to $500,000, best luxury mini yachts, best sport mini yachts, best family mini yachts, choosing the best mini yacht for you.

While $250,000 is a lot of money to most of us, it’s an impossibly low figure to purchase a new, full-sized yacht. It’s even tough to find a mini yacht in this category, too. You have to expect minimal size, tight quarters, and a limited number of berths. That said, there are some boats out there that hit this price-point yet still offer reaspmab;e sleeping quarters, full galleys, comfortable saloons, and yacht prerequisites like air conditioning and entertainment centers.

When searching the market for a mini yacht you’ll find that while your options may be limited at this price ceiling, it’s possible to find a wider range of models if you consider looking at used boats for sale . True, we’d all like to buy our boats new. But a wide variety of mini yachts that cost above this budgetary bar when new can be found within this range when they’re just a few years old, including some of the very best yacht brands around.

Top Mini Yacht Brand Picks Under $250,000 

As one of the largest boat builders in the world, Beneteau benefits from economies of scale, and they have boats with all the goods of a mini yacht that fall into this budget range. The Antares 11, a 36-footer with all the comforts of home and a swing-down gunwale that transforms into a huge swim platform, is one example. Or if sailing is more your style, check out the Oceanis 34.1, with two private cabins and a full galley, head, and dinette. Beneteau boats for sale

Beneteau Oceanis 34. Beneteau photo

Ranger Tugs

Ranger Tugs offers the R-27, which despite its model designation is 31’7” long. Starting cost is just under our mark, rigged and ready for cruising with a Yamaha F300 outboard that provides sporty performance with a 30-mph cruising speed and a top-end over 40 mph. There’s a forward private stateroom, a dinette that converts into a berth, a full galley, air conditioning, and plenty of little perks like USB charging ports, an electric grill, a multi-zone stereo system, and EVA foam padding on the deck.  Ranger Tugs boats for sale

Ranger Tugs R-27. Ranger Tugs photo

Doubling the budget opens up a lot more possibilities, particularly among options from the best cabin cruiser boat brands. You can get a bit larger, a bit more opulent, and you’ll have many more options with diesel inboard power versus outboards and stern drives. Of course, not all cabin cruisers can make the grade as a mini yacht, and not all mini yachts are cabin cruisers. As your choices expand, you’ll have a lot more decisions to make.

Top Mini Yacht Brand Picks Under $500,000

The Axopar line includes several models that MSRP in this price range, but the big surprise here is just how large you can get and stay under the $500,000 mark. The 45 Cross Top, for example, pushes the boundary of putting the “mini” in mini yacht, yet still lists for substantially less than half a mil. We should note that these boats are by design more like weekenders than cruisers, with relatively small cabins for their size and lots of open outdoor space, but those who are more concerned with feeling the salty breezes and warm sunshine than they are with sleeping space will love them.  Axopar boats for sale

Axopar 37 XC Cross Cabin. Axopar photo

Cutwater is known for building boats that pack a lot of utility into a very small package, and models like the C-30 CB (35’8” LOA) and C-32 CB (37’8” LOA) are great examples of why. They have everything aboard you need to live the yachting lifestyle, a flybridge atop the cabin, and are available with luxury packages but still don’t come close to breaking this price-point. Plus, with the C-30 you get the reliability and long range abilities of cruising with a diesel inboard in the engine room.  Cutwater boats for sale

Cutwater C-30 CB. Cutwater photo

Jeanneau, part of the Beneteau Group, has several models that hit the mark. One nifty perk is that some, like the NC 1095 Fly, meet all the parameters for a mini-yacht and fall into this price range but also have a flying bridge. There’s no doubt you’ll feel on top of the world when you’re running your mini yacht from up top. Jeanneau also has several Sun Odyssey sailing yachts that make the grade for those who want to run with the wind.  Jeanneau boats for sale

Jeanneau NC 1095 Fly. Jeanneau photo

To some degree luxury, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, but it’s hard to argue with goodies like high-tech entertainment systems, electrically-actuated loungers, solid teak interiors, or all of the above—and then some. In any case you’ll expect perks like high-end fabrics covering uber-comfortable cushions, complete climate control, and heads that have separate showers. It’s tough to fit all that into a mini yacht’s footprint, but these builders make the grade.

Top Luxury Mini Yacht Brand Picks

Back Cove Yachts was among our choices for the 10 Best Downeast Lobster Boat Brands, and this builder pulls a repeat appearance in the mini yacht division. With classic looks, a spectacular fit and finish, straight diesel inboard powerplants, and interiors that literally gleam with varnish, Back Cove’s boats are classics in every sense. Yet they also pamper the occupants with perks like hot and cold cockpit showers, electric-opening engine room hatches, and charging stations throughout. Back Cove boats for sale

Cruisers Yachts

While much of the Cruisers lineup extends beyond the size of a mini, their 39 EC is a boat that can’t be overlooked, and there’s also an argument to be made for including their GLS series in the realm of mini yachts. What all of the boats built by this brand share is an enormous amount of comfortable seating and open cockpits with huge settees and lounges. What’s unusual about the GLS series is that they sacrifice some cabin space to gain a bow cockpit. Yes, this does cut down on sleeping quarters, but it gains a tremendous amount of outdoor seating, and Cruisers expands your luxury level by including goodies like hydraulic lowering swim platforms, swing-down gunwale platforms, and shape-shifting seats that convert into sunpads.  Cruisers boats for sale

Another boat with classic looks and downeast lines is Sabre. Only one of their models, the 38 Salon Express, counts as a mini (they have five larger models up to 58’), but it scores so high in the luxury department there’s no doubt it belongs in this roundup. This is a pod-drive boat powered by inboard diesel Volvo D4 or D6 IPS drives, riding on a high-tech resin-infused hull. Of course, what’s inside that hull is what provides the luxury, and from one item to the next you’ll spot cut-above quality. The horn is a chrome Kahlenberg; helm seats are Stidds; the steering wheel is crafted from real teak; and soles are real teak and holly.  Sabre boats for sale

Sabre 38 Salon Express. Sabre photo

Can mini yachts really be sporty? Most aren’t, and they pay far more attention to interior design, comfort features, and accommodations than they do to performance. But there are a few brands out there that employ the latest in hull design and construction then match it up with beefy powerplants. The net result? You can enjoy thrill rides and high-speed chases between the bouts of lounging.

Top Sport Mini Yacht Brand Picks

Boston whaler.

Many people would think of Boston Whaler’s boats as fishing machines rather than mini yachts, but models in their Conquest line have everything it takes to be both. And, on top of that, their performance makes them far sportier than most of the competition. The 365 Conquest, for example, can carry a pair of Mercury’s V12 600-hp outboards—the most powerful outboard engines in production today—and it can hit speeds in excess of 50 mph. You want even more speed? Fine. Move up to the 405 Conquest and you can get three of those 600-hp powerhouses, pushing speeds into the 60s.  Boston Whaler boats for sale

Boston Whaler 365 Conquest. Boston Whaler photo

Formula has always been known for building performance boats, and their Sun Sport models combine that performance with comfort-laden cabins, wet bars, loungers, and entertainment centers. There’s a wide range of power options but if you rig a 310 SS with twin Mercury 8.2 MAG ECT engines and Bravo III drives, you can look for top-end speeds in the upper-50s.  Formula boats for sale

Formula 310 SS. Formula photo

What makes a mini yacht great for the family? Well, truth be told any boat is apt to provide lots of family fun. But some are better for the job than others. If you want to cruise with the entire family aboard, in addition to the usual luxury touches, you’ll probably want to have separate sleeping accommodations for kids and adults, a swim platform with easy access to the water, and a good entertainment system aboard. 

Top Family Mini Yacht Brand Picks

Pursuit has a well-deserved reputation for building rather luxurious boats and their Offshore models could have landed in a different category in this roundup, but they get the nod as a great family mini yacht for two reasons: first, because the mid-cabin berth means you get multiple sleeping spaces belowdecks, and second, because of this brand’s fishy attitude. Many kids love to fish and many parents love the bonding time, so angling households will find these boats ideal.  Pursuit boats for sale

Pursuit OS 385. Pursuit photo

Regal’s express cruiser lineup has a couple of models that count as mini yachts, and these are eminently family-friendly. Highlights include a folding “UltraLounge” in the cockpit that converts from forward-facing lounger to aft-facing lounger to sunpad, an optional “PowerPlatform” swim step that lowers from the swim platform at the press of a button, and surprisingly spacious cabins with separate mid-cabin and forward berths.  Regal boats for sale

Regal 33 Express. Regal photo

Sea Ray boats have always been known for being ideal family fun machines, and while most of their lineup is smaller than we’d designate as a mini yacht, the Sundancer line makes the grade. (The SLX line hits the sizing right, too, but cabin space is much more limited). From a family angle, we love the triple-wide bow seating integrated into a cockpit shallow enough for cabin space underneath but deep enough for kids to safely ride up front; the superior snackability of the wet bar with outdoor grill and refrigerator; and the mid-cabin berths in addition to forward berths so both the kids and the adults have their own space.  Sea Ray boats for sale

Sea Ray Sundancer 320. Sea Ray photo

Choosing among the best mini yacht brands is no small task, and choosing a specific model is even tougher. On top of that, you need to decide which type of mini yacht will make you and your family happiest. Then, there’s the question of cost: how much is a yacht , and is your budget appropriate for the smallest, least expensive options, or for larger ones? There’s only one way to answer these questions (and all the other ones bouncing around in your head right now), and that’s to take your time and check out all your options. Carefully. When you’re ready to make a decision, you’ll know it—from the first moment you step aboard.

Written By: Lenny Rudow

With over three decades of experience in marine journalism, Lenny Rudow has contributed to dozens of boating and fishing publications and websites. Rudow lives in Annapolis, Maryland, and is currently Angler in Chief at Rudow’s FishTalk ; he is a past president of Boating Writers International (BWI), a graduate of the Westlawn School of Yacht Design, and has won numerous BWI and OWAA writing awards.

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Review of Mini-12

Basic specs..

The hull is made of fibreglass. Generally, a hull made of fibreglass requires only a minimum of maintenance during the sailing season. And outside the sailing season, just bottom cleaning and perhaps anti-fouling painting once a year - a few hours of work, that's all.

The boat equipped with a fractional rig. A fractional rig has smaller headsails which make tacking easier, which is an advantage for cruisers and racers, of course. The downside is that having the wind from behind often requires a genaker or a spinnaker for optimal speed.

The Mini-12 is equipped with a fin keel. A boat with a fin keel is more manoeuvrable but has less directional stability than a similar boat with a full keel.

The boat can enter even shallow marinas as the draft is just about 0.70 - 0.80 meter (2.30 - 2.60 ft) dependent on the load. See immersion rate below.

Sailing characteristics

This section covers widely used rules of thumb to describe the sailing characteristics. Please note that even though the calculations are correct, the interpretation of the results might not be valid for extreme boats.

What is Capsize Screening Formula (CSF)?

The capsize screening value for Mini-12 is 1.66, indicating that this boat could - if evaluated by this formula alone - be accepted to participate in ocean races.

What is Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed?

The theoretical maximal speed of a displacement boat of this length is 3.9 knots. The term "Theoretical Maximum Hull Speed" is widely used even though a boat can sail faster. The term shall be interpreted as above the theoretical speed a great additional power is necessary for a small gain in speed.

The immersion rate is defined as the weight required to sink the boat a certain level. The immersion rate for Mini-12 is about 13 kg/cm, alternatively 77 lbs/inch. Meaning: if you load 13 kg cargo on the boat then it will sink 1 cm. Alternatively, if you load 77 lbs cargo on the boat it will sink 1 inch.

Sailing statistics

This section is statistical comparison with similar boats of the same category. The basis of the following statistical computations is our unique database with more than 26,000 different boat types and 350,000 data points.

What is L/B (Length Beam Ratio)?

The l/b ratio for Mini-12 is 3.70.

SA/D (Sail Area Displacement ratio) Indicates how fast the boat is in light wind: - Cruising Boats have ratios 10-15 - Cruiser-Racers have ratios 16-20 - Racers have ratios above 20 - High-Performance Racers have ratios above 24 Sail-area/displacement ratio (SA/D ratio): 16.67

Sorry, we do not have sufficient statistical information available for this boat to provide a significant reliable analysis.

Maintenance

When buying anti-fouling bottom paint, it's nice to know how much to buy. The surface of the wet bottom is about 3m 2 (32 ft 2 ). Based on this, your favourite maritime shop can tell you the quantity you need.

If you need to renew parts of your running rig and is not quite sure of the dimensions, you may find the estimates computed below useful.

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The best small cruising yachts in 2023

• Theo Stocker
• September 29, 2023

Despite bigger yachts dominating the new boat scene in recent decades, there are still any number of builders making new smaller cruisers. Here's our pick of the best small cruising yachts in 2023

We have seen a surprisingly large number of builders going against the grain to bring small cruising yachts to market in the last year or so, ranging from trailer0-sailers to smaller traditionally-styled options. Here, we’ve rounded up 4 of the best small cruising yachts launched in the last year.

Typically this size of yacht appeals to those who are looking for a day sailer or weekender and will often offer reduced draught in able to allow you to go creek crawling or nose your way into otherwise hard to get to anchorages.

The best small cruising yachts 2023

Once you’ve seen one, Bente yachts are unmistakable. We revisited the brand’s first boat, the Bente 24 , a couple of issues ago, which has been around for 10 years or so. The brand then launched the striking Bente 39 which was immensely innovative, but the company ran into financial difficulties. Now under new owners and a more stable footing, a third model has been launched, which I can’t wait to test sail. The Bente 28 is unlike any other 28-footer.

The hull is cutting edge with wide transom, double rudders and full bows providing a powerful hull form as well as volume below. Construction is polyester GRP foam sandwich, with the basic version being heavier hand lamination, and the more expensive Edition version being vacuum infused. While this is a boat designed to be fast, it’s a long way from a wild racing boat.

Displacement is a not outlandish 3.2 tonnes and draught is 1.6m (there’s an option for a 1.95m performance T-keel with lead bulb that’s 100kg lighter), so it fits well within the scope of a sensible cruising boat.

The Tide 25, built by MFH in north Germany – began its life as a Dehler SQ25, but the mould was sold off when that company hit hard times. Plumb bows and stern with a long hull chine, bevelled deck edge and twin rudders put her on trend, and maximise performance under sail and accommodation on board.

On deck, she has a large cockpit with benches forward and four decent lockers. Under the cockpit sole there’s access to what would be engine space for a diesel inboard, now housing batteries for the electric motors.

Opt for the sport version, and you’ll get beefed up deck hardware and a minimalist fit out, with the mainsheet traveller across the transom, while the comfort version has a smaller main with the mainsheet coming to a fixed point on the cockpit sole forward of the helm. The rig has aft-swept spreaders and no backstay.

The fact that the accommodation of the Pointer 30 is designed around a Nespresso machine, enshrined in glory, tells you a lot about this boat. It was conceived as a comfortable, fast and stylish weekend cruiser that you can take your friends down to for a coffee before a nice sail to somewhere for lunch. This is a boat that knows what it is about. Tea drinkers, don’t worry; there’s still a gas hob to boil a kettle.

The sail area isn’t vast, but this looks to be an easily driven hull. A below-deck furler setting a genoa that sheets to tracks on the coachroof is standard, with a self-tacker being optional.

The fixed bowsprit houses a bow roller, and a tack point for furling offwind sails – the gennaker takes her offwind sail area up to 100m2, set from an aluminium twin-spreader rig with adjustable backstay. She has a powerful kicker, but no traveller for the main, which is sheeted to a raised plinth in the cockpit sole.

Below deck the layout is simple, clean and quietly stylish. Headroom is restricted, dictated by the low freeboard and elegant lines.

To port, the heart of the boat is the ‘coffee bar’ on a shelf in the moulded hull liner, next to a small dinette-style table with two leather swivel armchairs. The forward of these chairs spins round to face a neat lift-top desk (though the drawer below isn’t large enough for a chart).

Swallow Yachts 32

Aimed at sailors who may have owned larger yachts before but want to downsize, Swallow Yachts owner Matt Newland explained that he ‘wanted to build a boat that was fun and easy to sail, simple to maintain and had timeless looks with as low an environmental impact as possible.’

Though not a true launch-and-sail trailer sailer, a four-by-four will still be able to tow the 32 on her own trailer, as boat and trailer come in at under 3.5 tonnes, and within the 2.9m overhang limit.

With a keel-down draught of 2.8m, a fine entry at the bow and broad aft sections, this boat promises to be a good performer. You can sail with the lifting keel in any position for shoal waters, but lift it all the way and you’ve got a draught of just 40cm for creek crawling and drying out.

Newland has tried to draw lines that are timeless rather than trendy while a retractable bowsprit, backstayless carbon rig and square-top mainsail ensure she is right up there in terms of her contemporary design and latest tech.

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The International 2.4mR Class Updated February 22, 2005

Background:

After the 1980 America's Cup in Newport, Rhode Island a new "class" of boats was introduced to the sailing world. Because of their resemblance to the 12 Meter yachts sailed in the America's Cup they were called "Mini 12's".

Mini 12's became popular as many sailors discovered that family and business commitments prevented them from using their larger yachts. Mini 12's offered an excellent opportunity to resume racing without investing large amounts of money and available leisure time.

The International 2.4mR Class:

Within two years of the debut of the "Mini-12", the Scandinavian Peninsula became the development site of an even more sophisticated yacht -- the 2.4mR yacht. Designed by Peter Norlin , Sweden's renowned naval architect, along with a number of other designers, these boats met the design criteria of the International Meter Rule. Peter Norlin’s design also enabled physically challenged sailors to adapt the sailboat to their specific needs. This has provided disabled and able-bodies sailors an opportunity to successfully compete against one another.

Organized in 1986, the International 2.4mR Class is well established in the Scandinavian countries and around the World. It is not unusual to see 50 or more 2.4mR boats at the starting line of a race.

The 1996 2.4mR World Championship in Cannes, France (October 1996) had seventy-five (75) Norlin yachts starting in a seventy-nine (79) yacht fleet. Peter Norlin won the 1996 2.4mR World Championship, and placed second in the 1997 2.4mR World Championships. Eighty-one (81) of eighty-six (86) yachts were Norlin designed.

The 1998 World Championships had over 100 boats registered. What a start line that proved to be. 1999 was another banner year for the World Championships with over 90 boats registered.  With many World Championships sailed in Europe, where most of the fleets reside, 100 or so boats are not uncommon at the start.  The United States hosted the 2002 World Championship with 55 boats representing more than seven nations at the start.

The International 2.4mR Class is a "development class". It is not yet strictly defined as a "one-design" class. Subtle changes may be made if the modifications remain within the Meter Rule. There is considerable discussion within the International Sailing Federation (ISAF), formerly the International Yacht Racing Union (IYRU), and other organizations around the world to make the class a true "one-design".

The Swedish 2.4mR Class has asked many 2.4mR owners, racers and builders, for their position on the 2.4mR Class becoming a true One-Design Class. See Standardization below.

Characteristics:

The International 2.4mR Class is growing worldwide. In November 1992, the International 2.4mR Class, and the Norlin Mark III, was adopted into the IYRU. This has provided an additional measure of acceptance and strength to the popularity of the design.

The Norlin Mark III is ideal for either the beginning, physically challenged and experienced sailor. Due to its design, it’s an excellent "racing machine". It incorporates all of the major sail control features of other meter yachts such as a boom vang, backstay tensioner, outhaul, traveler, cunningham, etc. All sail trim controls are led to a console forward of the helmsman’s seat, below the main deck. Steering is controlled either by foot pedals or hand controls. The hallmark of the Norlin Mark III is its unique design and versatility. As a fixed-keel yacht it is virtually non-capsizable. If it is swamped, it will not sink as a result if its built in positive foam flotation.

Simple, yet thrilling to sail, the majority of your body remains below the waterline. The Norlin Mark III provides an incredible rush of excitement. Many racers describe it as the Formula 1 race car of sailing. There is nothing you can’t learn from sailing a Norlin Mark III, as you are the skipper, tactician and crew.

Sailing Diversity:

The characteristic features of the fixed keel, displacement yacht makes the size of the skipper meaningless. Men, women, disabled and beginning sailors are at no disadvantage due to weight or other body characteristics. The Norlin Mark III requires little physical exertion to sail, allowing each sailor to compete evenly. Sailing ability is the critical factor to winning, not strength . The Norlin Mark III provides one of the few forms of competition where disabled and able-bodied persons can compete on an equal basis.

Standardization:

A strong class association is important for active sailboat racers. This will protect their fleet through standardization of design and promotion of the design to increase the popularity of the class. Standardization enables owners to compete throughout the world with other racers who own boats sharing identical specifications.

Peter Norlin, designer of the Norlin Mark III, will propose to the ISAF that this boat become a one-design class, still adhering to the Rules of the International 2.4 Meter Class. This proposal, when approved, will protect the owner’s investment for many years to come. It will also allow the Norlin Mark III to be a candidate for the Olympics, as one of the considerations for selection is a one-design class boat. The results were not favorable for a One-design Class so it will be tabled until a majority of National Class Associations vote in favor of the One-design concept.

One-design standardization:

As stated above, a strong class association is important for active sailboat racers. On July 14, 2000, the US 2.4mR Class voted to abandon the US 2.4mR Class and start a new One-design Class with the Norlin Mark III as the basis. This was done after a worldwide vote to allow this One-design Class to be implemented and administered by the International 2.4mR Class.

The new Class is the United States N3 Class Association. All current memberships were transferred to the new Class. A number of other countries have already voted for a One-design Class and may follow the lead of the United States.

At the ISAF Annual General Meeting in November 2000, the International 2.4mR Class put off the petition to the ISAF to infer International status to the N3 Class boats, even though a number of countries were in favor of this development and the fact that N3 Class boats are being built in four countries on four continents.  Since the vote was put off, the One-design issue has been tabled.

In lieu of this, the United States reverted back to the development class status and renamed itself the United States 2.4mR Class Association at the July 2004 Annual General Meeting.

Transportation:

The Norlin Mark III can be transported as an entire unit on a specially designed road trailer or small utility/yard trailer. With the lead ballast removed, the Norlin Mark III weighs approximately 145 pounds. Car topping is possible. These features provide the opportunity to keep the yacht at home and travel easily from one sailing site to another.

Fleet Sites:

The US fleet was started in Florida and congregated in the St. Petersburg, Sarasota, Fort Lauderdale and Miami areas. A number of new fleets have recently been created and are growing in number of boats in Darien, CT, Stamford, CT, Bangor, ME, Northeast Harbor, ME, Lake Norman, NC, Savannah, GA, San Diego, CA and Sylvania, OH.

Norlin Mark III:

The Norlin Mark III is the current World Champion 2.4mR yacht. It has not lost a World or National championship since 1990. SAILINGWORLD TM magazine selected it as the 1994 BOAT OF THE YEAR in the One-Design/Day Sailer category. Numerous articles in many separate publications have since been written and published about the boat.

The Norlin Mark III is sailed by more than 80% of the active 2.4mR sailors in the world and it makes up 95% to 98% of the boats registered in the World Championships. It is the boat of choice in this class. It is manufactured on four continents: Europe; North America; South America; and Australia.

In November 1997 the ISAF chose the Norlin Mark III as the boat raced in the 2000 Paralympics, Sydney, Australia, the 2004 Paralympics, Athens, Greece, the 2008 Paralympics, Beijing, China and the 2012 Paralympics.

There is a movement underway to introduce the boats as a Demonstration Class at the Summer Olympic games. The introduction of the Norlin Mark III and its inevitable International Class status as a true One-design boat, should help move this project along.

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Mini 12 or scale down America cup

Discussion in ' Wooden Boat Building and Restoration ' started by bilco , Jan 27, 2005 .

bilco Junior Member

A group of my friends and I are looking at building 3 small keel boats (cold mold) to race on the Tamar river in Tasmania. We have a mixture of skills to get us through the project. But finding a design is proving very very hard. We were hopeing for a mini 12 or 2.4 mr looking boat ,but with a bulb keel. Can anyone offer any advice on where to get line drawings? Is it ok to scale down a large boat? We need a design that is great for racing.  

Raggi_Thor Nav.arch/Designer/Builder

If you scale down a larger boat you will normally increase the width (relatively) search on this fourm for that. Have you looked at http://www.sailingsource.com/24metre/ ?  

PAR Yacht Designer/Builder

Very rarely does a larger boat scale down well, particularly if the scaling factor will be big, as would be the case of a 12 meter down to a 2 meter. As a result of the changes made you'd likely have a 2 meter that doesn't look at all like the 12 you're trying to copy. Most of the 12 meter designs that you may be interested in will be under the protection of copyright and it would be illegal to copy it, even if the scale was changed. In a boat that size you just be able to fit your body, let alone counter balance a lofty AC rig. So, to answer your questions about scaling down as you hope. NO, it wouldn't be a wise idea, basically she'd just flop over on her side. If you scaled a 3 meter boat down you'd have a chance of success, but still would require a custom effort by a designer. There are thousands of small "sporty" craft designs available. Build one of those, rather then trying to invent a new class which you clearly aren't skilled enough to do yet. Do a search for keel boats and select a design very close to the size you need. Until you gain a great deal more experience, don't change the scale of the design, just build it and have fun. A used International 2.4 meter will run about 5000 euros, a well equipped one 6 to 7000 euros. You'll be hard pressed to build for that and it's a class boat so there will be locals you can race, besides your friends.  

Richard Petersen Guest

I am missing something on this scaling plans up and down. I have had plans scaled up by 6.5 times in 1 pass, and the enlarged blue prints retained the proportions perfectly. Why was I, O K ?  

Richard, I don't think they want to decrease the size of the plans, but in fact the design itself. Lets take a look at L. F. Herreshoff's R-boat Yankee and try to scale her down. She's a little over 37' LOD has a 26' LWL, a beam of about 6'8" and around 9' of draft. Bring this down in scale to 12' LOD (approximately 3x reduction) her LWL is about 8'5", beam 2'3" and draws almost 3' of water. This makes a boat narrower then most canoes with a 3' draft. The same works in reverse, except you end up building a boat with way to much beam for her length. A 22' LOA, 20 LWL, 8' beam centerboard sailor scaled up 3 times would make a 66' LOA, 60' LWL, 24' beam centerboarder and clearly too fat a boat.  

I always forget to scale down the people and " Reynolds numbers and their brethern ".  

There have been a few attempts to use scaling factors to straighten this out, but none work real well. In small increases and decreases, more then just changing the station spacing would permit, the conversion formulas seem to work okay, but when the ratio gets over a certain percentage it goes to hell pretty quickly. The International 2.4 is patterned after the AC boats and does have an AC style sheer, appendage profiles, bow and stern profiles worked into the design, but that's about as close as they can get in this scale. They do look pretty good on post cards (just like snow) It's what construction workers would call a 80 footer (woman walking 80' away) As she got within 70 feet you'd see what was really going on and get back to work . . .  

B. Hamm Junior Member

The Norlin is basically a one design and the most popular boat in the 2.4 meter class. But the class is really a developement class so there should be home built plans available. These boats though are not inexpensive to build for their size, they have relatively high weights and the rig is complicated, along with something like 400 lbs. of ballast. For the past few years I've been working on a very simple mini keel boat of around 12 ft. but designed for homebuilders. Unfortionately right now it's incomplete and the prototype never has been built, not yet anyway. This one would though be a bunch less expensive to build. Bill H.  

pathetic New Member

Hey i am looking for plans for a mini-12 or 2.4 mr for me and my dad to build if anyone could help me out tha would be great. Thanks matt  

yokebutt Boatbuilder

Look a little bit up north, I know they designed at least one good 12 meter up there. Seriously, any decent yacht designer can provide you with a suitable shape. Yokebutt.  

Tactic Junior Member

What about something like this? Tactic  

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marshmat Senior Member

It'll be hard to find something race-ready in that size. Tactic's pic there looks about as good as you'll get. You need something that's designed from the outset to be this size. As everyone else has said, scaling a larger boat simply will not work. The CG, CB, metacentric height, centre of sail effort, etc. will all be different and the boat will not perform well at all. If you refine your search, you should find a few more designs like the one in post #11 above that will suit your needs.  

Thee are a few similar production boats avalible.I have searched and searched but have been unable to find plans for anything like this.So I designed my own. I am interested in taking the concpt further,The design i have shown can be built by a amatuer using various strip planking methods. Cheers tactic  

byankee Junior Member

mini-cup plans - FREE see http://www.stevproj.com/MiniCup.pdf doesn't have a fixed keel and the rig is wrong but the hull sure looks right - modify to your liking???  

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RWL Junior Member

There is a very active Mini 12 fleet in the Pacific Northwest, with about 40 or 50 boats between the Royal Victoria Yacht Club (Victoria Canada) and the Seattle Yacht Club. I believe the Seattle Yacht club has purchased a number of Victoria designed Mini 12s in the last year or two. They are being produced by John Booth (Booth Enterprises I think is the business name) in Victoria. They are called Deceptions. I would guess you could contact the Royal Victoria Yacht Club to find out who is the class representative this year. RWL  

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• Jun 11, 2007

Just wondering about this. A local boatyard has one of these things sitting around, trying to sell it for the owner. About 10' long, with the lines of an old America's Cup racer. Supposedly has the rigging and other important parts, plus a cradle. So-so condition overall. Originally they said $100, when they called the owner he said $300 and I sort of blew it off. Now looking around the internet I'm wondering if it might be worth going back and haggling for.  

Feats Don't Fail Me Now

Would love to see a pic of that boat...sails would probaly run $2K just for an average main and jib...not to mention what TLC the rigging needs...I would bet it would be a beautiful one off when its done but it will cost $$$ to get into that game.  

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• Jun 12, 2007

They are very attractive, but more like toys than real boats. Then again, for a couple of hundred bucks, it may be worth picking up. You'll pay far more that the purchase price to bring her back to proper sailing trim, I suspect. Wood hull or fiberglass?  

Fiberglass hull, has a few chips and a crack on the deck. Not sure of the brand but I think it's an Illusion. I gather most of these were made in the '80s before the 2.4m class was developed. It has at least a mainsail and probably the full kit. They had the rigging stashed inside and I didn't look at it. It's outfitted with a tiny little roller furler for the jib. The ballast was also out of the boat when I saw it. Not sure if it's missing or what. All the rest of the hardware is there, including a big bilge pump. Here's the general style: http://www.sailingtexas.com/sillusionmini12b.html  

second_wind

• Jun 14, 2007

Mini 12 I have one of these they are lots of fun to sail. Mine is an Oberg & Davis they were in Bristol Rhode Island and are since gone. Gavia yachts still makes them they are in Conn. I live in Hopedale Ma. Here is a link to the only U.S manufacterer http://www.gaviayachts.com/leader.htm  

Thanks. What do you figure one needing TLC might be worth?  

• Jun 15, 2007

2.4 metre It depends really on the condition if the keel ballast is still there as well as the rigging and all it needs is cosmetics $1500 $2000 if there is significant peices missing it could turn into an expensive project. I've seen these go on ebay for anywhere from $1500 to $4500. Let us know what you decide to do I may be interested in it if your not.  

• Jun 22, 2007

Talked to the owner today, going to look at it tomorrow. Needs a couple cracks in the deck fixed (minor, I've seen them), needs sheets and halyards, and a coat of paint. It has full gear and hardware, has both sails but in unknown condition. Might have a whisker pole, not sure. Comes with a little cradle. Ballast is missing but this series used bags of lead shot to adjust to the pilot. Over the phone he said $200, but I think he'd take less. Has that sound to his voice. I figure I can't go wrong for that price.  

Look forward to some pics...heck at that price you can't go wrong...those look like they may be a lot of fun to play in the wind...a  

• Jul 6, 2007

Looks like I bought it. The owner's opinion of the boat appears to have gone down since I last talked to him. 60 cans of Budweiser for his boatyard buddies and its mine. Pics to follow over the weekend, hopfully.  

• Jul 7, 2007
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• Aug 13, 2007

Not much progress on the boat. I've discovered how the mast was made and hopfully how to make a new one with what I have. Also found a few former and current owners of these things in town. Turns out there used to be a big fleet back in the '80s but the fad passed.  

• Sep 14, 2007

Started tearing it apart last week. Stripped down to a bare hull, sanded everything, even removed the rudder tube and fittings. I have a all-new steering system waiting to go in. Now I'm starting to reassemble things, and just today I started repairing the deck crack and fairing the hull. Looks like it was a small builder's product. Hull seems copied from an Illusion, the rigging is Illusion, but the deck and interior combine features from many boats and original ideas. It's not made as well as a real Illusion I looked at a few days ago.  

keep em' coming John (the updates)!!...and good luck with the overhaul...a  

• Sep 15, 2007

Very cool looking. Looks like only a small person could sail her comfortably. How about retrofitting the keel to a winged version for improved windward performance? Like to see pics when fully rigged...  

the-real-mandak

• Sep 17, 2007

Over here they are mainly used by disabled people to race in, since it is a really safe boat. it looks good on the water and is souppoused to sail quite well but I newer had the chance to sail in one, my brother did and he liked it.  

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• Sep 18, 2007

John, That's the best use of Budweiser I've seen since using it as a glass rinse! Way to go. :thmbsp: P.S. Bet the wife's happy, too.  

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• Sep 25, 2008

John: What is the hull number? The first 3 letters are the identifier for the manufacturer. The hull number should be somewhere on the edge of the upper deck near the stern or else on the upper part of the hull itself. The boat looks very much like a Millimeter Mini 12. I have a 1983 Millimeter and your boat looks like a newer version of mine. People always call these Illusions when in fact the Illusion was only build in the UK. Some were imported into the US and at last count that I know of, there were only 75 true Illusions in the US. There were other versions build under similar specs by various manufacturers in the US and elswhere. Your hull ID number will go a long way to identifying the manufacturer of this particular boat. Shaun  

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Small Yacht: Essential Buying Guide for New Owners

The world of yachting has seen a steady rise in popularity. With that has come a growing interest in small yachts.

These vessels, often referred to as mini yachts or small luxury yachts, provide an accessible and versatile option for those looking to venture into the nautical lifestyle. Small yachts range from about 30 to 65 feet in length. They cater to a variety of needs, blending luxury aesthetics with the functionality and maneuverability of compact marine vessels.

Understanding the unique characteristics of small yachts is essential for potential buyers and enthusiasts. Their design and construction prioritize space efficiency and creativity. This enables a comfortable living experience aboard, without sacrificing performance and handling capabilities.

Therefore, it's crucial to examine factors such as yacht size, layout, amenities, fuel efficiency, and sailing range when exploring the market for small luxury yachts.

Key Takeaways

• Small yachts provide a versatile and accessible option for exploring the nautical lifestyle.
• Design and construction balance luxury aesthetics with functionality and maneuverability.
• Essential factors to consider include size, layout, amenities, fuel efficiency, and sailing range.

Understanding Small Yachts

Defining Small Yachts

Small yachts, also known as mini yachts, are vessels designed to offer the luxury and amenities of a superyacht in a more compact and manageable size. These yachts typically range from 20 to 60 feet in length, which is much more modest when compared to the vast size of superyachts 1 .

Although smaller in size, these yachts still boast a variety of features and can include a range of models, from motor yachts to sailing yachts.

Small Yachts vs. Superyachts

The differences between small yachts and superyachts are not just about size. Superyachts tend to offer more extravagant amenities, such as onboard cinemas, helipads, and multiple swimming pools. On the other hand, small yachts focus on providing a comfortable and luxurious experience while being more budget-friendly and easier to handle 2 .

Here are some key differences between small yachts and superyachts:

Types of Small Yachts

There are two primary types of small yachts: motor yachts and sailing yachts. Each type offers unique features and advantages depending on the owner's preferences and intended use.

• Motor Yachts : These mini yachts are powered by engines, making them ideal for those who prioritize speed and convenience. Motor yachts often come with more creature comforts and can reach destinations quickly 9 .
• Sailing Yachts : Sailing yachts rely on wind power, offering a more traditional and eco-friendly sailing experience. They provide a sense of adventure and connection with the sea while still offering a range of comfort features 10 .

Both motor and sailing yachts can be further classified into various subcategories, such as powerboats and sailing catamarans, each with its own unique characteristics.

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Design & Construction

Hull Design and Material

When it comes to the design and construction of small yachts, hull design and material selection are of utmost importance. Most small yacht builders, such as Small Trimaran Design , focus on creating efficient and stable hull designs. These can be found in various forms, such as monohulls and multihulls.

Various materials can be used in the construction of yacht hulls. Common options include wood, steel, aluminum, and composites like fiberglass, GRP (Glass Reinforced Plastic), and carbon fiber . The choice of material can have a significant impact on the yacht's performance, durability, and maintenance requirements.

Deck Layout and Features

A well-designed deck layout contributes greatly to the comfort and functionality of a small yacht.

Luxury yacht builders, such as Burgess and Fraser , pay special attention to optimizing deck space for both practical and aesthetic purposes.

Key features often found on small yachts include:

• Cabins : Depending on the size of the yacht, there may be one or more cabins for sleeping, typically offering a comfortable and cozy environment.
• Outdoor living : Designers strive to maximize outdoor living spaces, such as lounge areas and sun decks, allowing passengers to enjoy the surroundings and fresh air.
• Coachroof : A raised section of the deck, the coachroof often houses the entrance to the yacht's interior and provides additional headroom below deck.
• Interiors : Small yacht interiors can be designed with efficient use of space, incorporating luxury finishes and furniture to create a comfortable and stylish atmosphere.

Some yachts even make use of advanced materials like foam in their construction, which can offer benefits in terms of weight reduction and insulation.

Performance and Handling

Sailing Performance

Small yachts are known for their agility and responsiveness in a variety of sailing conditions.

The lifting keel plays a crucial role in enhancing their performance, allowing them to access shallow waters and engage in creek crawling .

The versatility of these compact vessels allows sailors to enjoy the thrill of sailing on open water, as well as navigating through narrow channels and shallow creeks.

Some popular small yachts with remarkable sailing performance include the Sadler 26 and the Rustler 37 .

The maneuverability and ease of handling make these yachts perfect for both inexperienced and seasoned sailors.

Motor Yachting Efficiency

While small yachts are primarily designed for sailing, many of them can also function as motor yachts when needed. This allows for greater versatility, especially in situations where wind conditions are unfavorable.

In comparison to larger powerboats and cruisers, small motor yachts are generally more fuel-efficient, easier to maneuver, and require less maintenance.

Motor yachting efficiency can be affected by factors such as:

• Engine type and size
• Weight distribution

A well-designed small yacht strikes a balance between sailing performance and motor yachting efficiency, making it an excellent choice for those who enjoy the best of both worlds.

The Hobie Cat , for example, is a popular small sailboat that can be easily powered by a small outboard motor when needed.

Living Aboard a Small Yacht

Comfort and Accommodations

Living aboard a small yacht offers a unique and enjoyable lifestyle .

One of the key aspects of a comfortable liveaboard experience is having well-designed interiors and cabins. Most small yachts are designed with efficient use of space in mind, providing comfortable sleeping quarters, ample storage, and functional galleys for meal preparation. Some yachts even feature crew quarters for those who choose to sail with a crew.

It's important that the cabins offer a cozy and pleasant atmosphere, an essential factor when living aboard for extended periods.

When it comes to outdoor living spaces , many small yachts have cleverly designed decks and seating areas for lounging, enjoying the surroundings, or simply watching the sunset.

The yacht's galley should be well-equipped, featuring appliances such as a stove, refrigerator, and sink, making it possible to prepare meals just like at home.

Many small yachts also come with well-appointed saloons that provide additional space for dining, relaxing, and socializing with friends and family.

Entertainment and Social Spaces

Small yachts designers often prioritize creating social spaces, both indoors and outdoors, that cater to various needs.

The saloon is typically the heart of the yacht's interior, offering a comfortable space where everyone can gather for meals, play games, or watch movies.

Outdoor living is another essential aspect of the liveaboard lifestyle. Many small yachts are designed with spacious deck areas for sunbathing, enjoying the fresh air, and taking in the surroundings. These spaces can also be great for hosting outdoor events or simply relaxing with a good book.

The Buying Process

Choosing the Right Model

When purchasing a small yacht, it's essential to focus on choosing the right model that suits your needs.

Major yacht brands like Azimut and Ferretti offer various models with different features and specifications.

Consider factors such as the yacht's size, intended use (coastal cruising, blue-water passage-making, or competitive racing), and your budget.

On average, a small brand-new sailing yacht can cost anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000 or more .

Inspecting a Small Yacht

Before making a purchase, it's crucial to inspect the condition of the small yacht. Factors to consider include:

• Age: Older yachts may require more maintenance and have outdated features.
• Model: Different models come with various features and layouts, so choose one that fits your needs.
• Condition: Check for signs of wear and tear, as well as any repairs or replacements needed.

When searching for small yachts for sale , it's highly recommended to hire a marine surveyor to carry out a thorough inspection of the yacht. They will provide a detailed report on the vessel's condition and recommend any necessary repairs or improvements.

Securing a Purchase

Once you have chosen the right model and inspected the yacht, it's time to negotiate the yacht price and secure the purchase.

It's advisable to involve an experienced yacht broker who can simplify the process, handle negotiations, and aid with post-sale support.

When determining the final purchase price, bear in mind factors like the yacht's age, model, condition, and any additional features.

Maintenance and Upkeep

When owning a small yacht, it's crucial to ensure proper maintenance and upkeep to keep the vessel in great condition.

The age and condition of your yacht will greatly influence the maintenance schedule and tasks required. This section will cover the basics of routine maintenance and necessary repairs and refits.

Routine Maintenance

Regular inspection and maintenance of your yacht's essential systems can help prevent major problems in the long run.

It is important to follow a maintenance schedule and to use a calendar or reminder app to stay on track with your maintenance tasks. Yacht maintenance schedules often include the following key areas:

• Hull and Engine Inspection: Perform regular checks for any signs of leaks, corrosion, or damage. Clean and repaint the hull periodically to prevent fouling.
• Electronics, Sails, and Rigging: Inspect all electronics, sails, and rigging for wear and tear or any signs of damage. Replace or repair them as needed.
• Interior and Exterior Lights: Ensure all lights are functional, and replace any damaged or burned-out bulbs.
• Cleaning: Regularly clean the yacht's interior and exterior surfaces using gentle cleaning agents and fresh water to prevent dirt and salt buildup.
• Fuel and Water Tanks: Check and refill fuel and water tanks as needed, and inspect for leaks or contamination.

Repair and Refit

As your small yacht ages, it is essential to address any issues through repair and refit. Here are some common repair and refit tasks to help keep your yacht in the best possible condition:

• Engine Maintenance: Change oil, internal engine anodes, and check for any issues with engine mounts or fuel tanks. Maintain a proper 55-point skipper's checklist to ensure smooth engine operation.
• Electrical System: Replace or repair any malfunctioning electrical components. Ensure the wiring is in good condition and perform upgrades as necessary.
• Sail and Rigging Repair: Check for wear and tear or damaged parts, and replace any components that are no longer in good condition.
• Upholstery and Interior: Regularly clean, repair, or replace cushions, curtains, carpets, and other fabric materials on board.

Yachting Lifestyle

Destinations and Marinas

The yachting lifestyle offers numerous opportunities for exploring breathtaking destinations and marinas around the world.

Most yacht owners prefer to dock their vessels in well-equipped marinas. These marinas provide high-quality facilities, services, and security.

Some of the top destinations for small yachts include the Mediterranean, the Caribbean, and picturesque coastal towns in Europe and the United States.

The Mediterranean is home to famous yachting hotspots such as the French Riviera, the Greek Islands, and the Amalfi Coast . Meanwhile, the Caribbean offers a tropical paradise with its clear turquoise waters, white sand beaches, and hidden coves .

The Mediterranean

• French Riviera: Cannes, St. Tropez, Monaco
• Greek Islands: Santorini, Mykonos, Corfu
• Amalfi Coast: Positano, Capri, Sorrento

The Caribbean

• Virgin Islands: St. Thomas, British Virgin Islands
• Bahamas: Nassau, Exumas
• British West Indies: Barbados, Grenada, St. Lucia

Yachtsmen can also explore vibrant coastal towns in the United States, such as Newport, Rhode Island , or Annapolis, Maryland. These towns have a rich maritime history and provide access to world-class marinas.

When deciding on a marina, yacht owners should consider factors such as the amenities offered, proximity to popular destinations, and the depth of the harbor. Additionally, safety and environmental standards should not be overlooked.

Community and Events

Yachting is not only about the exploration of beautiful destinations but also about the experience of socializing with fellow yacht enthusiasts.

The yachting lifestyle fosters a strong sense of community, as yacht owners frequently mingle at marinas, yacht clubs, and exclusive events.

Yacht clubs and organizations often host events and regattas, where like-minded individuals can share their passion for sailing and create lasting bonds.

Participating in these events is a fantastic opportunity to expand one's social and professional network within the yachting world.

Notable yachting events include:

• The Monaco Yacht Show
• The Antigua Charter Yacht Show
• The Cannes Yachting Festival
• The Newport International Boat Show

These events showcase the latest trends and innovations in the yachting industry, providing attendees with both networking and learning experiences.

Charter and Rental Options

Comparing Ownership and Charter

Owning a small yacht can come with many advantages, such as having the freedom to sail whenever and wherever desired. However, ownership also involves significant costs, including maintenance, docking fees, and insurance.

On the other hand, chartering a yacht can offer a more cost-effective, low-commitment option. Yachts for rent are available in various sizes and price ranges, accommodating anything from a luxurious vacation to a simple day trip.

Chartering allows the enjoyment of the yachting experience without the burden of upkeep, while still providing access to luxury and customizable vacations.

There are different types of charters to consider:

• Bareboat Charter : The individual or group rents the yacht and operates it without a hired skipper or crew. This type is suitable for experienced sailors with the necessary certifications.
• Skippered Charter : Provides a professional skipper to help navigate the yacht, while the customers handle all other aspects, like provisioning and potentially crewing.
• Crewed Charter : More common in luxury and mega yachts, this all-inclusive option provides a complete crew, from a skipper and deckhands to a chef and hospitality staff.

Finding Yachts for Rent

In order to find the ideal yacht for a trip, it is crucial to research the available options.

One popular website for browsing yachts is YachtCharterFleet , offering a comprehensive list of luxury superyacht rentals. Their inventory includes everything from small yachts to mega yachts, catering to a wide range of budgets and group sizes.

Another option for discovering yacht charters is the Moorings platform, specializing in private yacht charters and vacations catering to a variety of boating preferences.

For those looking for more personalized sailing vacations, Moorings Crewed Yacht Charters provides customized, all-inclusive travel experiences, allowing guests to enjoy luxury and adventure at their desired destination.

When choosing the right yacht charter, some key factors to consider are the size and type of the yacht, the desired destination, length of the trip, budget, and any specific services or amenities included.

In any case, the options are virtually endless, ensuring that there is a perfect yacht rental available for any occasion.

Frequently Asked Questions

What factors affect the pricing of a small yacht?

Several factors contribute to the pricing of a small yacht, including its condition, age, size, brand, and the features and amenities it offers.

The materials used in construction, the engine's power, and the yacht's overall design can also influence the cost. Additionally, prices may vary depending on the manufacturer and market demand.

Where can I find listings for small yachts currently on sale?

You can find small yacht listings on various websites that specialize in boat sales and brokerage services, such as YATCO , Seattle Yachts , and Live Yachting .

It is essential to research different options to find the best deal and meet your exact requirements.

How does the buying process differ for new vs. used small yachts?

The primary difference between buying new and used small yachts lies in the warranty, customization options, and yacht history.

New yachts often come with factory warranties and a higher degree of customization. Meanwhile, used yachts typically have a lower initial cost but may require more maintenance or repairs.

It is crucial to inquire about the vessel's history, including previous owners, maintenance records, and any known issues when purchasing a used yacht.

What are some common features to expect in the interior of a small yacht?

Even though they are smaller in size, small yachts often have luxurious and well-designed interiors.

Common features may include a cozy living area, comfortable sleeping quarters , a functional kitchen or galley, and a compact bathroom.

Some yachts also provide entertainment systems, climate control, and advanced navigation equipment , ensuring comfort and convenience while sailing.

Which brands are well-known for manufacturing small yachts?

Several reputable brands produce small yachts, including Hanse , Catalina, Seawind, and Absolute.

Each brand may specialize in different types of yachts, such as sailing, motor yachts, trawlers, and catamarans. It is essential to research and compare various brands and models to find a yacht that best suits your preferences and needs.

What types of luxury amenities can be found on a small yacht?

Small yachts can still offer various luxury amenities, depending on the manufacturer and level of customization.

Some examples include high-end audio and entertainment systems, deck jacuzzis, underwater lighting, custom upholstery and finishes, water toys, and advanced navigation technology.

These amenities add to the overall comfort and enjoyment onboard, but they may also increase the yacht's price.

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Mini 12 meter America’s cup replica single person sailboat

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Capt Robbie

That's cool. I like all the labels for the lines. Have you taken it out yet?  

I saw quite a few running around Marina del Rey (CA) a few decades ago. Have not seen any recently, but I'm sure they are still around. Looks like a very fun boat.  

The Lake Harriet Yacht Club here in Minneapolis has a number of them that they use for their adaptive sailing program for sailors with physical challenges. They are really cool boats and I'd love to get in one. Scroll down to the bottom of the page to get to this program. https://www.lhycsailing.com/racing/  

Very cool boat, Robbie!  

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Looks like it would be a fun boat.  

Michael Davis

I watched Dennis Conner and Terry McLaughlin match race mini-12's in Bedwell Harbour, South Pender Island many years ago.Brings back memories!  

Congratulations on your acquisition. Many years ago there were a couple of mini 12s at a local club. A friend was a member there and invited me to sail with him. We had a blast racing around the bay in them for a few hours one afternoon. The ones I sailed had a tiller in front of the seat rather than foot pedals. The tiller controlled the rudder through ropes so I can see how you could adapt either way. I believe they were set up for paraplegics without use of their legs. Very fun boats with a lot of strings to pull so they can be quite technical to race.  

It a 2.4M class boat. The illusions (I think) were made in the UK. Norlin also made them in Sweden. Quite the blast. Busy slow. As Danny notes the are a good AS boat, as long as the student has the mobility to get in, and the motor control to use the controls solo. At WYC we use adapted Solings.  

Brian, Toyed around with it last year. It's a real blast to sail. Remarkably fast and turns on a dime. Takes a little while to get use to it. Foot pedal steering is a little strange at first. I haven't used the spiniker yet because that halyard was not working last year. Over all this thing really is awesome to sail. Last year had a few learning curves to work out. One thing I did learn right out of the gate was how to launch it from the trailer. 1st attempt didn't go as planned. Put the mast up and all the standing and running rigging up with out any issues. Removed all the tie down straps from the trailer. Rolled it back down the ramp, so far so good. It started to float, and had to give it a little push to clear the trailer pads. Then it slipped off the trailer and floated back about six feet. Few seconds later it capsized and sank. I forgot to put the lead waight sin the keel, was a little top heavy. Fortunately nobody was around to see that, but I still thought it was pretty funny nevertheless. What guy ever reads a manual. After about an hour trying to get it floating again. Went sailing for hours, and had a blast. My wife said that I told her that I was only going to be out on the water for an hour. I was gone for two, but when I told what had happened, the one hour it took to re-float it doesn't count for my sailing time.  

Mark Maulden

I think I saw a bunch of these on the hard at the Royal Vic Yacht Club outside Victoria BC..  

kappykaplan

Capt Robbie said: What guy ever reads a manual. Click to expand

Hi, I looking at a mini 12 mtr. on trailer. I am glad I read about the chap who launched his off the trailer fully rigged and it rolled over. I would have done the same.  

Looks like a fun boat. All the skippers looked to be wearing dry suits. Makes me think it is a wet boat to sail. With so much of the hull beneath the water and so little free board, how do you keep it afloat? It looks like it could easily become a submarine. A fun one.  

It looks like a blast to sail. I would be up for a test sail If I found one.  

Capt Robbie said: JSsailem, Very little freeboard, and you do get wet a lot, but that's half the fun!! It has air tight compartments to prevent it from sinking, however you can submerge the stern. That makes it a little chalanging to get going again. Just learned how to pump out fast Over all still a blast to sail. Click to expand

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Go to Sailing Texas classifieds for current sailboats for sale Illusion Mini 12, 1983 sailboat for sale Serial #001 LOA 12’ LWL 10’6” Beam 33” Draft 27” Displacement with skipper and ballast 700 lbs. Main 34 sq. ft. Genoa 30 sq.ft. Spinnaker 45 sq. ft.

THE FIRST USA MADE ILLUSION MINI 12 SERIAL # 001 MFG 4/83 She was in a garage for 28 years.

Excellent condition throughout. Excellent sails including spinnaker.

Standing, running rigging complete including spinnaker rigging complete and rigging just like new. Removable ballast weight system for a sailors weight of 150 pounds to 250+.

NEW Custom made to fit $2000 trailer with launching extension and buddy bearings.

MINI 12 instruction manual complete detailed rigging along with racing rules for class racing. 520 pounds of ballast included in brand new bags. “CRADLE” and Spare standing rigging cables and parts. This boat is totally complete and ready for water. Cleaned up with a fresh up to date look. Ready to sell. TOO WINDY TO PUT MAIN AND SPINNAKER UP FOR PICTURES.

Rig and Sails

Auxilary power, accomodations, calculations.

The theoretical maximum speed that a displacement hull can move efficiently through the water is determined by it's waterline length and displacement. It may be unable to reach this speed if the boat is underpowered or heavily loaded, though it may exceed this speed given enough power. Read more.

Classic hull speed formula:

Hull Speed = 1.34 x √LWL

Max Speed/Length ratio = 8.26 ÷ Displacement/Length ratio .311 Hull Speed = Max Speed/Length ratio x √LWL

Sail Area / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the power of the sails relative to the weight of the boat. The higher the number, the higher the performance, but the harder the boat will be to handle. This ratio is a "non-dimensional" value that facilitates comparisons between boats of different types and sizes. Read more.

SA/D = SA ÷ (D ÷ 64) 2/3

• SA : Sail area in square feet, derived by adding the mainsail area to 100% of the foretriangle area (the lateral area above the deck between the mast and the forestay).
• D : Displacement in pounds.

Ballast / Displacement Ratio

A measure of the stability of a boat's hull that suggests how well a monohull will stand up to its sails. The ballast displacement ratio indicates how much of the weight of a boat is placed for maximum stability against capsizing and is an indicator of stiffness and resistance to capsize.

Ballast / Displacement * 100

Displacement / Length Ratio

A measure of the weight of the boat relative to it's length at the waterline. The higher a boat’s D/L ratio, the more easily it will carry a load and the more comfortable its motion will be. The lower a boat's ratio is, the less power it takes to drive the boat to its nominal hull speed or beyond. Read more.

D/L = (D ÷ 2240) ÷ (0.01 x LWL)³

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds.
• LWL: Waterline length in feet

Comfort Ratio

This ratio assess how quickly and abruptly a boat’s hull reacts to waves in a significant seaway, these being the elements of a boat’s motion most likely to cause seasickness. Read more.

Comfort ratio = D ÷ (.65 x (.7 LWL + .3 LOA) x Beam 1.33 )

• D: Displacement of the boat in pounds
• LOA: Length overall in feet
• Beam: Width of boat at the widest point in feet

Capsize Screening Formula

This formula attempts to indicate whether a given boat might be too wide and light to readily right itself after being overturned in extreme conditions. Read more.

CSV = Beam ÷ ³√(D / 64)

Spin.: 45 sq. ft. ‘Mini 12’one-design single hander with pedal steering. Similar concept as the 2.4M but somewhat smaller. Ballast can be added or removed from a cavity within keel. Most recent Builder: Advanced Marine Structures www.amstructures.co.uk +44 (0) 1983 200011

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The Mini 12 was added to the CRYA class registry several years ago.

The Mini12 is a truly weed free design and with ponds weeding up, it is the perfect boat for such sailing locations. .  The Mini 12 is a growing fleet in the eastern part of Ontario. The boat is 45 inches in length and weighs 16lbs. It is small enough to be carried in a normal sized car yet large enough to have a presence out on the water.

Blake Moran from Frankford, Ontario is now producing hulls and complete boats. You can contact Blake through the CRYA website.

Mike Ingham is the Class Secretary, and he can be  contacted using this form .

Class Rules may be found here Mini 12 Class Rules February 2023 Rev 2 (1) CRYA Final ( 2)

In Memoriam – FRANK W. SCOTT – 1937 – 2019

FROM EAST COWES, ISLE OF WIGHT, ENGLAND.

Married Josephine Mathews in 1961, together they had three children Nicholas, Ian and Lee. Frank was a Master Boat Builder, Modeler and Model Train Enthusiast.

             He began working at S.E Saunders in Cowe’s Isle of Wight straight from school at 16yrs of age working with people like Uffa Fox (famous boat designer and builder(1897-1972)) then worked a while at BHC (British Hovercraft corp) until mid  60’s when he joined Clare Lallows yacht and motor launch builders where he helped build in 1969-1970 the then British Prime Minister  “Sir Edward Heath” (avid sailor and racer) yacht “Morning Cloud.”   Then in Sept 1974, he and family moved to Sydney, Cape Breton Island, Canada.  Then made a short stint teaching boat building in St Andrews N.B. before settling in Newington, Ontario in 1981.

He still found the time to design and build model vane steering and R/C yachts as well as other style boats and display models for numerous people far and wide along with his passion of British and North American model trains.

One model yacht he designed in 1969 and built in the backyard shed of his home in England was of the Marblehead class (vane steering) out of wood finished in 1970 and raced at Ryde Model yacht Club (est. in 1874) still runs to this day)) on the Island with his son Nicholas every Sunday year round and won numerous races, she was called “FIREBRAND IV”. With the move to Canada, the boat was carefully packed and shipped where is was restored in 2018 and is now proudly owned by his son Nicholas along with a scratch-built fishing trawler and a Tyne Class RNLI Lifeboat.

His son Nicholas went to England in August 2016  where he visited Clare Lallows Boat Yard and spoke to them about his father and  the “Morning Cloud” yacht and since it was “Cowes Week” (very large well known yachting Regatta) he was told that moored up at the next marina was said yacht “Morning Cloud” that had just finished extensive restoration by its new owner and was renamed “The Opposition” His son Nicholas managed to take pictures and tour her much the delight of his father that it was still around after 40 + years.

He is missed by his family and many friends far and wide. With the recent passing of his wife Josephine in October 2019 they will be together again sailing off the shores of the ISLE OF WIGHT.

Diver hit by propeller, 2 boats capsize during start of lobster mini-season in South Florida

Hundreds of boats hit the water before the sun came up for the start of the mini-season, which runs through thursday, by briana trujillo • published july 24, 2024 • updated on july 25, 2024 at 3:50 pm.

At least one diver was hurt, one diver found a package of "suspected cocaine" and two boats capsized in South Florida on Wednesday, the first day of lobster mini-season. 

Hundreds of boats hit the water, several even before the sun came up, for the start of the mini-season, which runs through Thursday.

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Miami-Dade County incidents

In Miami-Dade County, the first vessel capsized before 8 a.m. A diver was briefly reported missing before being found on another boat. 

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In another incident, authorities said two individuals were diving as their boat began to sink. Chopper6 caught an aerial view of the vessel upside down in the water.

The divers were picked up by Miami-Dade Police Department Marine Patrol, and they were brought to Crandon Park Marina. Neither was injured. 

In Sunny Isles, Miami-Dade Fire Rescue units responded to calls after noon about two missing divers.

"Our units were able to locate the divers and transported them back to their vessel," the fire rescue said.

Officials also said there was one small boat fire at Crandon marina, but no one was hurt. A tow company driver said they used a fire extinguisher and bucket of water to put it out.

What to know as Florida's 2024 lobster mini-season set to start

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Monroe county incidents.

In the Lower Keys, a man diving for lobster near the Boca Chica Bridge was reportedly struck by a boat propeller and flown to a Miami hospital at around 8:09 a.m., according to the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office.

The man’s condition is not known.

He "was brought ashore at the Key Haven Boat Ramp and Trauma Star landed on the Shark Key Bridge — temporarily blocking U.S. 1 traffic at the Shark Key Bridge," the sheriff's office said.

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission is investigating.

In another incident, the Sheriff's Office rescued four people from a vessel that was taking on water near Mile Marker 39 around 11:33 a.m. Wednesday, according to Monrow County Sheriff's Office.

Officials also said that a diver found a "package of suspected cocaine" approximately one mile offshore of Tavernier on the oceanside around 2:14 p.m.

The package was turned over to the U.S. Border Patrol, said MCSO.

Diving safety tips

According to the Divers Alert Network (DAN), a diving safety organization, "statistics have shown that lobster mini-season has resulted in unexpected injuries and fatalities as divers have rushed to hunt."

The organization highlights four steps to take to stay safe in the water:

• check air often
• always dive with a buddy
• know your limits
• plan your dive, and dive your plan

The Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) also encourages safety on its website and lists the following guidelines for divers:

• wear a life jacket when underway
• designate a sober operator for the vessel
• stay within 300 feet of a properly displayed divers-down flag or device when lobstering in open water
• stay within 100 feet of a properly displayed divers-down flag or device if near an inlet or navigation channel

As for boat operators, they must slow to idle speed when traveling within 300 feet of a divers-down flag or device in open water or within 100 feet of one on an inlet or navigational channel, the FWC says.

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