Published on April 25th, 2013 | by Editor
mxNext, a new single-handed skiff
Published on April 25th, 2013 by Editor -->
mxNext , the next generation of super fast, super fun skiffs, was recently launched in Marblehead, Massachusetts. The boat, designed with the same innovation and styling as SpeedDream27, was test sailed over two weekends and the consensus among those that got a ride was that the future of small boat sailing has arrived.
“It was a lot of fun to sail,” said Bill Lynn, one of North Americas top sailors. “It was fast, easy to handle, definitely athletic, but once I got the spinnaker up it was like it was on rails going downwind. The mxNext really does have a future. This is an awesome boat.”
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MX Next-new dinghy design
Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by Doug Lord , Aug 18, 2012 .
Vlad M Senior Member
SteveMellet said: ↑ I'm not entirely sure posting a link to their facebook page is going to convince us it's a valid design - it's still a rendering which any number of teenagers with simple software could produce. (perhaps an attempt to change the subject - oh look, something shiny..) I am a fan of the MX-Ray, it was a cool design that got built, sold and sailed, until this does so it remains a concept design. (And it was yellow, which made it extra-cool). I have another unanswered question regarding the speeddream idea, now that they have built the 27ft prototype and have done some sailing - we've seen photos & video of it sailing in moderate conditions and it looks really impressive, slick shape and all pretty carbon and all that, but how does it really perform ? I've seen no GPS data to verify the design lives up to it's brief, is it MUCH faster than any other 27ft keelboat design, if so, by how much ? If it can do 16knots downwind and 12knots upwind in 12knots of wind, and max out at 20knots downwind in 18knots of wind, it may very well be as fast as my 1966 designed 16ft plywood catamaran, all while costing as much as the entire fleet at our last National titles. I'm not sure this takes the design concept into the multihull-beating category that it was advertised as. I have the feeling the reason we haven't seen impressive GPS claims, is due to the fact that they are not as impressive as they were hoping - please prove me wrong, nothing would impress me more than to see this design really work as advertised. Click to expand...
Paul B said: ↑ Isn't summer 2012 just about over? So where is this next big thing? Click to expand...
Steve Clark Charged Particle
Your memory evades you. You already had production but were not satisfied with either the quality or the price. You had some slick video and a good marketing spiel and you loaned us a bat to test. We sailed it against a standard Laser and were impressed by the Laser, leading Chip to remark that before we undertake new products, we should make sure they are better than our old products. For my part, I first really focused on the need for the upwind and down wind speed of a boat to be somewhat in balance. The Ray might have been greatly improved by another round of sail and mast design, but the freestanding mast with and A-sail hanging off of it is very hard under any circumstances, and that one simply wasn't right. One of the hells of a strict one design is the inability to change and tune things as people learn how to sail the boat. About 10% of the performance never gets realized because you have to stop too soon and never get all the ideas tried out. SHC
Steve Clark said: ↑ Your memory evades you. You already had production but were not satisfied with either the quality or the price. You had some slick video and a good marketing spiel and you loaned us a bat to test. We sailed it against a standard Laser and were impressed by the Laser, leading Chip to remark that before we undertake new products, we should make sure they are better than our old products. For my part, I first really focused on the need for the upwind and down wind speed of a boat to be somewhat in balance. The Ray might have been greatly improved by another round of sail and mast design, but the freestanding mast with and A-sail hanging off of it is very hard under any circumstances, and that one simply wasn't right. One of the hells of a strict one design is the inability to change and tune things as people learn how to sail the boat. About 10% of the performance never gets realized because you have to stop too soon and never get all the ideas tried out. SHC Click to expand...
Vlad: I don't think I was there because I was on sabbatical building Cogito in 1994. But what the hell....long time ago. I guess it all depends on how you define success and failure. The MXRAy didn't stay in production long, so success has to be treated as a guarded term. Many fine sailboats are dismal products and don't pay back the time and effort that went into their design and creation. When you get a prototype done, let's get together and sail. I will bring the IC and we will get a chance to compare notes. If you get something that sails that well and hits it's target price, you can then start the really expensive business of trying to get a class off the ground. It's about 50x as expensive as designing and prototyping the boat and 17x as difficult. SHC
Sure Steve, It would be great to get together for some testing. Look forward to it! As for taking the class off the ground, that's entirely different story, and I know how difficult and expensive it is. We built over 300 Mx-Rays, but that was not nearly enough... If SpeedDream is successful, it should help somewhat, but in any case it would take a lot of time and efforts. But that not a reason for not trying...
Alik said: ↑ Just relax, it is another break-through... rendering. On of 1,000,000 around Click to expand...
Paul B said: ↑ Well, he did design the most uncompetitive Whitbread Maxi of all time. That has to count for something? Click to expand...
Paul B said: ↑ I take it you understood my comment as tongue-in-cheek. Haven't read Skip's book. Drum wasn't so bad. Didn't she finish 3rd Maxi (just behind near sister Lion NZ)? I was nearly involved with the Drum campaign. Simon was shopping for a designer and I might have been working on the project if the contract went the right way. But then Colt Cars project funding fell apart and that half finished boat became available. So LeBonBon went that way instead of doing a new design. Click to expand...
Paul B said: ↑ Well, you said he was a genius. Now you are saying maybe he isn't? With all his talent and guts and courage and ability to "get things done" he designed Fasizi (that was slow and didn't measure in), the MX Ray, and what, one twenty-something-foot sportboat that never went into full production. That's the output of an accomplished designer over 25 years? Vlad may be a very nice man, and a man with lots of "different" ideas. But I would hesitate calling him a genius, and "accomplished" designer may be a bit of a stretch... Click to expand...
Olga Noll New Member
I have an MX Ray and chose it specifically (over the RS 100 ) because of the simplicity of the rig design, weight to sail area , the history of it's exceptional speed for a mono hull and because of the delta hull shape ( yet with a very low wetted surface.) I walk my boats to the river with a dolly and in 10 minutes I can be underway and speeding along. The asymmetrical spinnaker with the bowsprit work fantastically. It was a dramatic break through. ( I built an AMF force 5 with a full mast head chute and spin pole. I was so busy rigging the chute that I lost track of any sense of direction.) Vlad made a major break through with spinnaker design, deployment and retrieval. 3 seconds and the thing is up and dousing is about as fast. The MX next must not be underestimated. This guy is a great designer.
SteveMellet Senior Member
Vlad M said: ↑ To Steve: If any teenager with simple software could produce a great boat, we probably would've seen more of them... It's not as simple as you think. Try yourself! Click to expand...
Doug Lord Flight Ready
SteveMellet said: ↑ Vlad, read my post again : My comment was referring to the fact that most teenagers with some knowledge of a 3d program (and there are lots of both around) could produce a nice RENDERING of a boat. Whether that boat would actually sail well can only be determined once you have a floating version with sails on it. My comment was directed towards Doug, who usually points out these amazing concept designs which have not yet seen the water, and claims they are the next big thing, that they will be "multihull-beaters" and various other claims which at best are completely unrealistic. What I was basically saying is that : while the website for the MX Next is very impressive and flashy and will no doubt promote interest in the boat, the proof of concept can only occur when you sail it, race it against other dinghies, and evaluate it's performance over a period of time to establish what it's strong points and weak ones might be. Further to this I was, and remain, skeptical regarding the claims that the concept of the 27ft version will be a "multihull-beater". I will be a firm believer when I see it compete against F18s and Tornados and beat them convincingly across a wide range of conditions. Even if it acchieves this, will it have done so at a similar cost to these boats, remembering that some very good boat designs never get to acchieve the popularity they might deserve, if their production cost outweigh their performance gain. If the boat is 5% faster than a F18 at 400% the cost, the target market is going to be very small. Regardless I wish you success with all your projects and admire the courage to push forward with your ideas. Regards, Steve Click to expand...
Paul B Previous Member
Vlad M said: ↑ Drum wasn't too bad?... You really have no clew what you are talking about! Click to expand...
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The MX Next sport dinghy. Carbon hull and spar - lightweight and fast. Naval architecture by Rodger Martin Design. Conceptualized by Vlad Murnikov of MX-Speeddream.
As is the case with the iconic MX-Ray, the mxNext is equipped with an expansive gennaker for blistering speed off the wind. Suffice it to say, this is not a boat for beginners. Nor is it necessarily a boat for middle-aged fogies, like yours truly. The 27-foot Yandex is currently undergoing testing in Europe
The boat is a development of the mxRay the very first single-handed dinghy to carry an asymmetrical spinnaker. More info www.mx-Next.com
MX Next-new dinghy design Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by Doug Lord, Aug 18, 2012 .
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MX Next-new dinghy design Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by Doug Lord, Aug 18, 2012.
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Downwind sailing on the mxNext. The boat is very stable with the spinnaker set. Hoist and hold on for a fast, fun ride. More at www.mx-Next.com.
MX Next-new dinghy design Discussion in ' Sailboats ' started by Doug Lord, Aug 18, 2012 .
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